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  1. Unhappy Newbies and Clubs? 
    #1
    Reading through the AMA safety code, I noticed it says that
    "I will not fly my model aircraft in the presence of spectators until I become a proficient flyer, unless I am assisted by and experienced pilot"
    What exactly does that mean?
    Does it mean that I can't fly in front of anybody at all without and instructor there?
    Do other pilots count as spectators, and are people with me at the field, parents for instance, allowed to watch if I'm not being watched by an experienced pilot?
    Or does it simply mean that I can't fly at airshows or at parks with people watching without an experienced pilot?
    Or does it mean something totally different?
    As for and "experienced pilot".
    How do I define and experienced pilot?
    Is (s)he just someone that can sucessfuly fly?
    Or does the "experienced pilot" have a certain number of years as a pilot behing them?
    As you may understand, it's all very confusing to me, and I wish this section in the safety code were more clearly defined or worded. I am sitting here wondering if I have to have an experienced pilot with me at all times, which brings me back to how to define an experienced pilot.
    One thing is for sure, and that is that I do not want to have to wait all day as a new pilot for someone to show up, watch me fly, tell me I'm either doing bad or good and leave, when maybe I want to charge up and fly again.
    Thanks alot,
    High Flyer
     

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    Issues like this one are a major reason for the popularity of electric parkflyers, that can be flown in any open area, not just sanctioned fields.
     

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    Last time I tried to fly at the local baseball field, I got yelled at for tresspassing by a cop, so I'd rather stick to the club thing. Also, I just think the human element adds something to the flying experience.
     

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    I believe it refers to non-flying spectators who might not be as alert to what is going on and who may not be aware of the risks of being around RC Airplanes.

    This could be at a club field or it could be at an unregulated park.

    Unless you wish to intentionally put people at risk, you should be quite comfortable with this regulation. Until you can reliably control your plane you should not be flying it around people who are not flyers.
     

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    I spend a lot of time reading the internet forums for information and tips
    about RC flying, fixing my planes, which gadgets to buy and the like. On
    many occasions I have reached out to that community for specific help,
    and they have responded, sometimes with amazing enthusiasm. Likewise
    I try to help others when I can. I tying to help the new guys along into
    this wonderful hobby that I have come to enjoy so much.

    I guess it is a form of being part of a club. When I read the posts in
    this forum and others, the names become familiar. You get to know who
    really knows and who just likes to make noise. Being part of this on-line
    community has helped to add a social aspect to the hobby that makes it
    that much more fun.

    However forums, no matter how active and helpful they are, lack real contact
    with real people. That is where clubs come in. Clubs add that extra
    dimension to this hobby, the dimension of real people.

    I have read many posts about people who don't want to join a club for one
    reason or another. I don't plan to argue those points, but to share what I
    have found in club membership. You draw your own conclusions.

    I have found this club aversion especially common among new electric pilots
    because, for the most part, it is easier to go it alone with the electrics
    than with the fuel planes and sailplanes. You need less space, you need
    less equipment, the planes are typically small and quiet so you can go off
    by yourself and fly and in many cases no one will bother you. However, hang
    with me for a moment because, while you might be having a great time, this
    post is about having more fun than you are having now.

    I almost didn't join the club to which I now belong. I was an electric
    flyer and they were a sailplane club that was struggling with the idea of
    admitting new members who were just flying electrics.

    Even before I joined there was pressure being applied that I should learn to fly
    sailplanes, I
    had to build a kit, it had to be a sailplane, blah blah blah. However they were
    not going to force me and I can stand up to a little pressure. The field was
    close
    and large, I knew one guy in the club and there were a few pilots flying
    electrics in addition to sailplanes, so I joined.

    Boy am I glad that I did.

    After 5 years I am having so much fun, I wonder if I am breaking a law
    somewhere. To a large extent that fun is due to the wonderful people I
    have met in the club. People who are just fun to be around and share this
    great hobby. I have found that flying with a group of people who share my
    interests is a lot more fun than flying alone.

    Oh, there are politics, and I am sure not everyone likes me, but that is the
    world as a whole. There are people who still feel I am missing the good
    part of the hobby because I don't build all my planes from kits, but they have
    come to accept me as an RTF/ARF guy with growing experience salvaging
    other people's cast off planes.

    Many of my planes I purchased from club members already built. Some were
    actually given to me because the member just didn't have room, or didn't
    feel like having that plane anymore and thought I would like it. Some are
    called humpty dumpty projects. I put 'em back together again. In the
    process I learned to build and to fix.

    It was a shock to me when people started coming to ME for advice on
    building and fixing. The joke is that I have crashed and wrecked more
    planes than anyone so I have more experience in fixing. I don't THINK
    it is true, but .... never mind. I digress.

    I recently asked for a little help during a meeting. Man, these guys could
    not do enough for me. People were e-mailing me with information, sources,
    and knowledge I didn't even know I needed. It has been great! And there
    is nothing like a friendly hand to show you that you set this "something"
    off just a little bit. Fixing that often made a huge difference.

    After a while I did try sailplanes and found that, as much as I enjoy the
    electrics, I LOVE sailplanes. Now the point is not that you should fly
    sailplanes. Heavens no, sailplanes is not for everyone. It is that I had
    my own ideas about things, they opened me up to new ideas, some I
    accepted and some I did not.

    If you are a person that will be intimidated
    by people arguing over a point or giving you advice you didn't ask for, then
    stay on the edge. You will find lots of company on the edge and some of
    those people are wonderful people with whom you would like to fly.

    If you can accept that this is how the world works and enjoy the flow of
    ideas, get into it and become an active member. Perhaps you can even become
    a leader. Heck they may make you President because you bring new ideas to
    the club A former President of our sailplane club started on a Firebird
    XL.

    Net net, it is the people as much as the planes that have made this a
    wonderful experience for me. I have made many new friends, and perhaps an
    enemy or two. Yes, the club has restricted me in a few areas but they have
    expended my experience so much in others that, well, I can live with it.

    There are safety reasons, insurance reasons, instruction reasons and all
    sorts of other excellent reasons to join a club, but the main one is fun. The
    club has made a very enjoyable experience more fun than I could ever have
    imagined. If you had a bad club experience, try a different club!

    If you are new to the hobby, I strongly suggest you seek out the clubs in
    your area. If you don't know how to find them, stop by your local hobby
    store and ask. Believe me, they know where all the clubs are and the character
    of each one. You can also click on the AMA link below for
    the national club listing. Remember that the address given is a person's
    house, not the flying field. For example our club address is 15-20 miles
    from my house, but our field is about a mile from me.
    http://www.modelaircraft.org/clubsearch.aspx

    For other countries, use this link:
    http://www.fai.org/fai_members/addresses.asp

    Stop in and chat with the members. There is probably a club in your area
    that is made up of people who share your interests and who would richen your
    flying experience.


    US Model Airplane Clubs - Shown on a Map
    Also Model Airplane News
    Remember the location is a member, not the field.
    http://find.mapmuse.com/re1/interest...AIRPLANE_CLUBS

    Tower Hobbies Club Index
    http://towerhobbies.com/rcwairclub.html#usa1

    Clubs by zip code
    Remember the location is a member, not the field.
    http://www.ama-dist-8.org/Clubs/Locator.php

    Why Join the AMA?
    http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_51...tm.htm#5138560

    If there are no clubs in your area, then start one.
    AMA Club Charter kit -
    http://www.modelaircraft.org/PDF-files/2006clubkit.pdf

    Contact the AMA or the organizing body in your country and find out what it
    takes to start a club. I promise you that there are other people in your area
    who
    would just LOVE to join, if they only knew there was a club. Most of these
    people are folks you would love to meet.

    Want to have more fun? Join a club!

    Clear skies and safe flying!
     

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    The AMA thinks they can regulate everyone, well, they can't. Electric park fliers and micro fliers are a direct result of AMA overstepping their authority. I once had sport aircraft insurance, and the AMA refused to honor it. cost was half of AMA stuff. I personally don't like being told what to do so I fly alone wherever I like. There are a multitude of places to fly where no one cares. I live in Phoenix, AZ and I have plenty of places to fly electric, or nitro. My home owners insurance covers my flying also.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by scumbucket View Post
    The AMA thinks they can regulate everyone, well, they can't. Electric park fliers and micro fliers are a direct result of AMA overstepping their authority. I once had sport aircraft insurance, and the AMA refused to honor it. cost was half of AMA stuff. I personally don't like being told what to do so I fly alone wherever I like. There are a multitude of places to fly where no one cares. I live in Phoenix, AZ and I have plenty of places to fly electric, or nitro. My home owners insurance covers my flying also.
    Your homeowners insurance also covers you at AMA-Sanctioned fields. The AMA has no jurisdiction outside of those fields and they don't claim to. They establish rules and guidelines that a flying field are to adhere to in order to maintain their sanction. If the field doesn't follow the safety rules, then they don't get the supplemental insurance coverage. If you were denied a claim outside of an AMA field, then you weren't operating within their "regulations" to begin with, so I'm not sure what you're complaining about.

    They are, however, working to prevent the federal government from stepping in and regulating everything from deleting turbines entirely, regulating altitudes, making the weight rules more strict, ... If anything it's the opposite.

    As a side note, this thread has been dead 5 years since the last reply.

    -Eric
     

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    Thanks Eric, I do know and am very farmiliar with the AMA and the rules, just don't agree so I fly elsewhere. My choice. I know this has been dead, but I thought I might stir it up a mite. I'll stay off, sorry sir.

    Brian
     

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    I got'cha. I know a few people who are the same way. I used to be as well, when I had my electrics. But now that I'm playing with some giant scale stuff, a 17-lb airplane going 90 miles an hour definitely needs to have some safety rules applied to keep people and/or property from getting hurt. That kind of performance without some sort of formal statement of regulation, regardless of the fact that it's all common sense to me, can be extremely dangerous.

    No reason to keep quiet. Discussion is about always better than keeping it all in.

    -Eric
     

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    All I fly at the moment is the tiny micro's so that's another story, however I plan on getting some planes in your class before long, and that will make a big difference like you say. My micros can hit a car or building and break nothing, no significant impact, however a 17 lb airplane can go right thru things, and I agree, good insurance and some rules of operation are needed. We see that the same way. Thanks sir.
     

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    Well I'm not axactly flying much more like crashing but I hope they keep our rights to fly. As many years as people have been flying rc's the news people think we're all flying spy quads and drones sence they heard some of them have cameras on them and they won't them band from flying. It's not like we're just haveing fun and getting a new perspective from our flying experience.
     

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    Yeah, I get the "oooo a drone!" when I play with the quadrotor in front of the house or even at friends' houses when people are around.

    One of them technically has a camera on it now but it didn't before, and it's not like I'm going to gain anything from it. It's just neat to see my neighborhood from the trees.

    -Eric
     

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    Yeah I know. I have a camera to put on my plane or heli once I can get it up in the air long enough not to destroy it. That may take awhile though. Really need a good trainer plane but I'm going to work on my foamies and build a better dihedral wing and make sure everthing is squared up. Then maybe ill have better results.
     

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    #14
    I like drones with camera, that is the thing that makes them fun.
     

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